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	<title>Comments on: Browning Produces New Target Rifles in .223, .308, 300 WSM</title>
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		<title>By: Geoff Gambier</title>
		<link>http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/browning-produces-new-target-rifles-in-223-308-300-wsm/#comment-10726</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Gambier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to all of you if you actually take the time to check the browning websight this rifle is offered in a 1 in 8 twist in the .223 and 1 in 10 for the .308 these specs are from browning websight. I cant say that i know F-class shooting at all but the .223 and .308 will be fun target and varmint rifles. The 300 win mag i have to say i dont see the logic in that, as this is supposed to be for cyote whackin not killing elk (who in there right mind would want to walk through elk country with a 13lb. stick anyways)just thought i would correct the twist read error. :)  

 the Model   A-Bolt Target                                            
Action Type    Short Action  
Magazine Capacity .223 - 5  magazine capacity  .308 - 4 
Barrel Length   28&quot;  
Nominal Overall Length   47 3/4&quot;  
Nominal Length of Pull   13 3/4&quot;  
Nominal Drop at Comb   5/8&quot;  
Nominal Drop at Heel   5/8&quot;  
Nominal Weight   13 lbs.  
Rate of Twist .308  1 turn in 10 &quot; Rate of Twist .223  1 turn in 8 &quot;
Wood Finish   Satin Finish 
Additional Description    Adjustable Comb 
U.S. Suggested Retail   $1,269.00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to all of you if you actually take the time to check the browning websight this rifle is offered in a 1 in 8 twist in the .223 and 1 in 10 for the .308 these specs are from browning websight. I cant say that i know F-class shooting at all but the .223 and .308 will be fun target and varmint rifles. The 300 win mag i have to say i dont see the logic in that, as this is supposed to be for cyote whackin not killing elk (who in there right mind would want to walk through elk country with a 13lb. stick anyways)just thought i would correct the twist read error. :)  </p>
<p> the Model   A-Bolt Target<br />
Action Type    Short Action<br />
Magazine Capacity .223 &#8211; 5  magazine capacity  .308 &#8211; 4<br />
Barrel Length   28&#8243;<br />
Nominal Overall Length   47 3/4&#8243;<br />
Nominal Length of Pull   13 3/4&#8243;<br />
Nominal Drop at Comb   5/8&#8243;<br />
Nominal Drop at Heel   5/8&#8243;<br />
Nominal Weight   13 lbs.<br />
Rate of Twist .308  1 turn in 10 &#8221; Rate of Twist .223  1 turn in 8 &#8221;<br />
Wood Finish   Satin Finish<br />
Additional Description    Adjustable Comb<br />
U.S. Suggested Retail   $1,269.00</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/browning-produces-new-target-rifles-in-223-308-300-wsm/#comment-9996</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have they mentioned if they would offer it in left hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they mentioned if they would offer it in left hand?</p>
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		<title>By: Monte Milanuk</title>
		<link>http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/browning-produces-new-target-rifles-in-223-308-300-wsm/#comment-9953</link>
		<dc:creator>Monte Milanuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, the inclusion of 300WSM seems odd. Savage was pretty much on the money in offering 6.5-284 and 6mmBR for F-Open.&quot;

Neither of which are Browning/Winchester flagship cartridges... ;)

All joking aside, it didn&#039;t surprise me much to see that cartridge choice - Browning has always been pretty heavily committed to the WSM/WSSM line of cartridges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, the inclusion of 300WSM seems odd. Savage was pretty much on the money in offering 6.5-284 and 6mmBR for F-Open.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither of which are Browning/Winchester flagship cartridges&#8230; ;)</p>
<p>All joking aside, it didn&#8217;t surprise me much to see that cartridge choice &#8211; Browning has always been pretty heavily committed to the WSM/WSSM line of cartridges.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Fraser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.223 needs 1 in 8 twist to run 80gn projectiles and 1 in 7 for 90gn. This oversight makes you wonder about how much consultation with F-Class experts occurred in this project.

Also, the inclusion of 300WSM seems odd. Savage was pretty much on the money in offering 6.5-284 and 6mmBR for F-Open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.223 needs 1 in 8 twist to run 80gn projectiles and 1 in 7 for 90gn. This oversight makes you wonder about how much consultation with F-Class experts occurred in this project.</p>
<p>Also, the inclusion of 300WSM seems odd. Savage was pretty much on the money in offering 6.5-284 and 6mmBR for F-Open.</p>
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		<title>By: Mysticplayer</title>
		<link>http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/browning-produces-new-target-rifles-in-223-308-300-wsm/#comment-9949</link>
		<dc:creator>Mysticplayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM, as a newly reformed recoil whimp, pushing a 210gr bullet would be more fun then I would care for.  If I was going to go this route, why not a 180gr Berger 7mm set up?  Way less recoil and equal performance.

Plus I suspect that the WSM chamber would be too &#039;short&#039; to allow the 210gr VLD&#039;s to be seated properly anyways.

I commend Browning to trying to do new things. ALL manf should consider match rifles as an excellent halo product.  BUT... actually take the time and understand what the rifle should look like. 

Otherwise, it will be poorly received, loose money and discourage further development.  

Biggest problem, manf are not going to put in the effort to really provide a trued action.  I think there is thought that by putting on a different stock, and longer barrel, they can jack up the price for more margin.

A single post on a competition site like this would have garnered all the info any designer/marketer could ever need to deliver what customers would buy.

This will make a nice varminter, beanfield rifle.  Likely a complete flop in the F class circles especially at these cost levels.
Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM, as a newly reformed recoil whimp, pushing a 210gr bullet would be more fun then I would care for.  If I was going to go this route, why not a 180gr Berger 7mm set up?  Way less recoil and equal performance.</p>
<p>Plus I suspect that the WSM chamber would be too &#8217;short&#8217; to allow the 210gr VLD&#8217;s to be seated properly anyways.</p>
<p>I commend Browning to trying to do new things. ALL manf should consider match rifles as an excellent halo product.  BUT&#8230; actually take the time and understand what the rifle should look like. </p>
<p>Otherwise, it will be poorly received, loose money and discourage further development.  </p>
<p>Biggest problem, manf are not going to put in the effort to really provide a trued action.  I think there is thought that by putting on a different stock, and longer barrel, they can jack up the price for more margin.</p>
<p>A single post on a competition site like this would have garnered all the info any designer/marketer could ever need to deliver what customers would buy.</p>
<p>This will make a nice varminter, beanfield rifle.  Likely a complete flop in the F class circles especially at these cost levels.<br />
Jerry</p>
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		<title>By: Monte Milanuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monte Milanuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree on the .223 twist rate... and the fore-end length.  Way too short, going to be a handful to control on bags or a bipod w/ that big pipe sticking out front.

Then again, anybody remember what Savage&#039;s original designs for the F/TR and F/Open stocks looked like (yuck!!!).  Similar (but uglier) thing - someone got the idea that a F-Class gun might sell well.  Unfortunately said person was apparently not a competitor themselves, and it took some work to get things straightened out.  

I hope Browning does get this one out the door... while I have somewhat of a vested interest in the Savage platform, a little competition is always good.  I&#039;ve always thought it unfortunate that the Browning A-Bolt has never been taken too seriously - it is one slick looking action!

And Jerry... here state-side there are very few places that restrict the caliber other than what is listed in the official rules - .35 cal and under.  On some of the more squirrelly ranges a good heavy gun (take advantage of *all* of the F/Open weight limit) in .300 WSM pushing a 210 VLD... can be a force to be reckoned with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on the .223 twist rate&#8230; and the fore-end length.  Way too short, going to be a handful to control on bags or a bipod w/ that big pipe sticking out front.</p>
<p>Then again, anybody remember what Savage&#8217;s original designs for the F/TR and F/Open stocks looked like (yuck!!!).  Similar (but uglier) thing &#8211; someone got the idea that a F-Class gun might sell well.  Unfortunately said person was apparently not a competitor themselves, and it took some work to get things straightened out.  </p>
<p>I hope Browning does get this one out the door&#8230; while I have somewhat of a vested interest in the Savage platform, a little competition is always good.  I&#8217;ve always thought it unfortunate that the Browning A-Bolt has never been taken too seriously &#8211; it is one slick looking action!</p>
<p>And Jerry&#8230; here state-side there are very few places that restrict the caliber other than what is listed in the official rules &#8211; .35 cal and under.  On some of the more squirrelly ranges a good heavy gun (take advantage of *all* of the F/Open weight limit) in .300 WSM pushing a 210 VLD&#8230; can be a force to be reckoned with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mysticplayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mysticplayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone tell them to change the twist on the 223 barrels?

9 twist is not going to excite any potential user.  7 twist or at least an 8 twist.

Forend is definitely on the short side likely making it very nose heavy/tippy.

Looks like a wannabe rifle with little effort to actually make a competitive rifle.  That stock design is right off the production floor but with an adjustable comb - yeah.

I am sure lots of varmint hunters will be pleased.

The Savage F(O) stock is the shape stock designers should work off.  The F(TR) isn&#039;t so hot either but another story.

When would the 300WSM ever be used in F class?  Most events prohibit magnums...at least in Canada.

Look forward to seeing shooting results and how that trigger works.  Could make a decent beanfield rifle in 300WSM.

Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone tell them to change the twist on the 223 barrels?</p>
<p>9 twist is not going to excite any potential user.  7 twist or at least an 8 twist.</p>
<p>Forend is definitely on the short side likely making it very nose heavy/tippy.</p>
<p>Looks like a wannabe rifle with little effort to actually make a competitive rifle.  That stock design is right off the production floor but with an adjustable comb &#8211; yeah.</p>
<p>I am sure lots of varmint hunters will be pleased.</p>
<p>The Savage F(O) stock is the shape stock designers should work off.  The F(TR) isn&#8217;t so hot either but another story.</p>
<p>When would the 300WSM ever be used in F class?  Most events prohibit magnums&#8230;at least in Canada.</p>
<p>Look forward to seeing shooting results and how that trigger works.  Could make a decent beanfield rifle in 300WSM.</p>
<p>Jerry</p>
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		<title>By: Marksman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marksman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that stock design leaves much to be desired.  If they are truly going after target shooters, than the stock should have a longer front end to ride the bags, and a much steeper grip.  Right not the stock just looks like an overweight sporter stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that stock design leaves much to be desired.  If they are truly going after target shooters, than the stock should have a longer front end to ride the bags, and a much steeper grip.  Right not the stock just looks like an overweight sporter stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The forend looks awfully short...wonder how it will balance in the bags.  Optical illusion because of the long barrel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The forend looks awfully short&#8230;wonder how it will balance in the bags.  Optical illusion because of the long barrel?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Clement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Clement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not breaking any 21st century ground with those caliber choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not breaking any 21st century ground with those caliber choices.</p>
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